SIG P320s were just the start and the P365 isnt far behind. This leads me to conclude that the problem is not the gear but the moron using it. In the former case, you would need upward movement coming to a sudden stop to bump up the drop safety at the same time you imparted rearward momentum to the gun to try and move the striker. So I think it is unconscionable, given the number of incidents of this gun defectively discharging without a trigger pull, would necessitate that someone order it to be recalled and only SIG can do that.. Search Texas Statutes. 1:07. NEWINGTON - A Hillsboro man is suing Newington gunmaker Sig Sauer alleging his Sig P320 pistol fired, without him pulling the trigger, causing a bullet to be discharged into his thigh. Everyone knows Glocks are the absolute pinnacle of perfection and have never had one single defect ever! Good thing you werent serious, thatd be terr..uh.oops. Anyway my question for $600 would be: Did you have your 3rd wife killed? The sheriff's office said its investigation found no mechanical problems with its deputy's gun. The Milwaukee police department has had 3 incidents of the Sig discharging while being in a holster sitting in a patrol car in 2023. Where is this lightning striking twice? All polymer guns are cheap, cheap, cheap to make, thats why I threw the Taurus name into the mix. Withe the P320 Sigs contract was $169.5 million, $103 million cheaper then Glock. Look a fanboy. I sold that pistol when I got it back. I have been purchasing and using Sig firearms exclusively for over 40 years. Cops are crap with guns, unlike me, a REAL pistolero! Had a buddy, years ago, that was a deputy for Orange County in California. The pistol is popular with commercial gun owners and law enforcement south of the border. Much has been made of Nimoys Spock being the most popular character in TOS, but Id argue that without Shatners over-the-top swagger and brash manner, the balance would be lost. This is this same company that couldnt build their own freaking rifles after multiple attempts (Sig SG550 series) when that rifle had been made in Switzerland for years without issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsu6WsSQ2_g. You have entered an incorrect email address! At this point I would have to say that Taurus is a better handgun. If the military was going to go cheap then they should have thrown Taurus into the mix. You clanging a bell that went silent years ago. Sig Sauer's P320 is widely used by police departments across the country, and is a big seller in the civilian market, with about half a million sold nationwide. They are being replaced with Glocks. Ron Cohen ruined Kimber and now hes doing the same to SIG. In June, Cambridge police Lt. Thomas Ahern filed suit, accusing Sig Sauer of selling a dangerously defective product after his P320 fired on its own while he was in the department's SWAT team van with six other officers. This is just blind greed using some careless doofus to sell a lie and cash in because a civil jury, like the average American voter, can be manipulated easily though emotion, tears and stories of anguish, pain and suffering at the foot of some super-rich evil corporations cold-blooded behest. Both companies, instead, took to pro-gun industry forums to offer a rebuttal, giving no opportunity to answer questions. The HK VP70 was made in 1970 when Gaston Glock was making curtain rods. Yes, a lot of police officers only shoot when they have to for qual. Combine this with the complacency that comes with handling a firearm over-and-over again as you holster and unholster a firearm throughout the day, its not surprising that many of these officers are saying it just went off as a negligent discharge can cost them their job if it lead to serious injury or property damage. That show with no Shatner-Kirk and only a Nimoy-Spock wouldnt have gotten past the first season. Police officers (maybe) do an annual qualification and thats it. in Capitalvania. So your fanboy perjorative falls not only flat but false. I dont own a Glock or a SIG and am not a fanboy of either. The fact is that the plaintiffs will get paid regardless of who did what. Thats why NY demanded the NY Trigger be installed on Glocks before theyd buy them. It sure wasnt her fault though, because she was flooring the. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. After the accident the unit returned to using the SIG P226 they had planned to replace with the P320. Misfires and Lawsuits Plague Sig Sauer P320 If these same folks were around in the 80s and got their way, no one today would know what a Glock was. LEO handguns get into struggles, they get laid and rolled on, they get smacked into vehicles/doorways, they get dropped, they get drawn and holstered way more often than their civilian counterparts. I wouldnt be surprised if she did it intentionally, she clearly suffers from a serious case of media whoring. At least the Gorilla is still evolving while the Far Right proved to be an evolutionary dead end, one of natures mistakes. It nicely describes what has to happen in a striker-fired P320 for an un-commanded discharge to happen as the plaintiffs have claimed. CBC News reached out to Sig Sauer and its Canadian distributor, M.D. Sig Sauer Inc. has agreed to settle a class-action lawsuit over its P320 pistol, on which the Army 's Modular Handgun System is based. Picard if Im limited to NCC-1701. And they think hey have an actual legit lawsuit on their hands? I agree. Or you would have to have enough slide play for the slide movement to physically disengage the sear and striker leg mating surfaces. Trust a P365 with your life. Being highly trained doesnt eliminate stupidity. I think making guns easy to shoot has gone too far. While it seems that I have a preference for battle ships, The Romulans had Warbirds. But that's not working in the P320, he said. SIG Sauer, a German weapons maker with its U.S. headquarters in Newington, N.H., issued a statement Friday in response to a CBC News report earlier this week that revealed the Nov. 5, 2020, incident and the fact the weapon, the SIG P320, had been withdrawn from service while the military conducts an investigation. Maybe its a technical issue, maybe its a training issue. As a result, the P320s were withdrawn from service, leaving the JTF-2 with their older P226s. The weapon had a history of going off unexpectedly when it was dropped at a certain angle. The Hide Armory. Harrison responded, No, I dont think the upgraded version should be recalled, in fact I think the previous version should be recalled so that everyone has the upgraded version.. The trigger bar has to push up on it, for it to release. The weapons are currently on the shelf and the soldiers have returned to using their older model SIG P226s. Then after just three years without telling anyone they stopped all production including extra parts. The military is much smarter and no, the gun is not junk. I would rather play handball with the Devil himself because if you deal with the Devil he will tell you that you agreed to lose your soul for a big box full of millions in cash. In a straight up Glock vs. Sig battle, the United States Marines chose Sig, and that was AFTER watching the P320 perform for four years. Someone is going to read this thread and be bewildered. BTW it was HK that made the first polymer gun, Glock actually stole the idea for the G17 from them. Im not even sure I would do that with my 92 or something else that can be both decocked and locked. The thing is, youd probably need to generate many Gs of force in both directions simultaneously. Theres just too much other paraphernalia bouncing around in there. 00:03. Over the top, hammy and with incredible choleric energy, but as he once said, when you trying to seriously sell a scene that has space ship with obvious carboard walls, christmas lights and a guy in a rubber gorilla suit with a plastic horn on its head, if you play it lowkey youre dead the audience is gonna focus on how cheesy it all is. Funny how that works. Not only is it now the designated sidearm of all branches of the U.S. military, there are over a million of them in civilian hands. So far I have only heard of one instance (post fix) where there was an ND and the post mortem on the gun demonstrating a mechanical failure. Third, Glock has had problems, too. Too expensive to use their customers as beta testers. We will respect the ongoing investigation and will not offer further comment at this time, Bineau said. A fine of up to $10,000. What exactly did Harrison mean by legal momentum? That isnt clear, but its easy to make an educated guess. And as far as Special Forces go, SF going to Glock has been documented as a bean counters solution to save money. In 2020, the agent, who is a former marine, was doing his routine training with the P320. 3. So I will just continue to carry Mexican style with my striker fired polymer wonder nine from a company that may or may not be SIG. And yes, if I pulled some of those stunts, Id have my membership revoked. selling the 365 with strikers breaking? there is no better. The 1911 had one added, the FN 1905 had one added in 1906. Whats this silly BS? and youve gotten this far reading our thread. Have you ever noticed that big trouble usually comes in groups of 3. Fine. Golly didnt Sig catch he!! One, the energy necessary to lift the striker-securing safety plunger may be insufficient due to a too-weak spring, or a too-light plunger, or some other design flaw, to reliably engage the plunger where it belongs. I own Serpa holsters in multiple configurations (1911, Beretta 96, H&K, Springfield, etc) for most of the time theyve been around and I NEVER had an ND. Sig P320 is just one of many pistols with Safety related. Glocks have gone off when people attempted to holster them and after they have holstered them, some times way later after holstering them like the fellow that got into his pickup truck. Aint been nothing but problems since the military dropped the 1911, what was it 85 year of trusted service? . Mine is very accurate. I have no idea. They mandate more discharges, with more property damage, more injuries, and more deaths. The military is already shopping for a new sidearm. Sig P320 Accidental Discharge Problem | SIG Talk Thats why the US Marines have Sigs. Hey, Im glad theres somethings we agree on! The problems associate with those pistols (and the P365) have long since been ironed out. But hey, in ruthless, lawless, Capitalvania were life is considered cheap and expendable no one gives a shit, especially the Far Right that screams about abortions and then kills off the children that were not aborted with loaded guns laying around the house. Canadian Special Forces Command has not said what caused the gun to go off unexpectedly, but the company said a conclusion has been reached. One of the officers a few years ago was carrying his P320 in a P226 holster that he took a Dremel to make the P320 fit. I have never had to have one serviced or replaced. Rather, it's because those LEO P320 pistols are seeing much more physical action than ones carried by civilians. The networks report didnt mention lawsuits filed by LEOs (or anyone else) against other gun makers claiming similar alleged design defects. These officers are not gunfighters. And many departments across the country have had to lower their standards for passing qualifications just to be able to hire on and keep officers. I can say we are aware of the statement released by SIG SAUER, said Maj. Amber Bineau. Time will tell if no. Charlton posted to the online commercial forum Canadian Gun Nutz, describing the CBC News piece as inaccurate and promising SIG Sauer would release a statement. What I can say is that article reads like a hit piece on the individuals who may or may not of made mistakes with their firearms from someone who worships at the alter of sig. The cost of settlements will be passed on to us. Miraculously, no one was hit by the bullet, which ricocheted around inside the vehicle. So are dumb(or arrogant) cops. Wounded by his own Holstered Sig Sauer P320, Veteran Tampa Police First, keep in mind that allegations made in lawsuits are not statements of fact. He was told to shoot two rounds. But then Im not a federal LE flunky who cant keep my booger hook off the bang switch, either. Theres a couple of possibilities. After all, there are limits on complying with Rule 2 and even Rule 3, because a gun muzzle is ALWAYS covering something, somewhere, and ALWAYS knowing what lies beyondperhaps FAR beyonda possible target is an impossibility. It sounds the same as arguing whether Captain Marvel could beat Superman up in a fist fight its pretty absurd and laughable. Seems a bit apologetic to me. Milwaukee Police Report Issues With Sig P320's Discharging By Tom Knighton | 11:30 AM on October 30, 2021 AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast Several years ago, there was an issue discovered with the. Then when the gun still wouldnt operate right, field stripped it and cleared the debris, but didnt understand the gun enough to realize it was now super broken. Anyway there was one good thing to come from those movies, The USS Vengeance. Both versions of the ABC report included comments from Officer Hiltons attorney, Jeffrey Bagnell, who said, Its not credible to claim that people with this amount of training, this amount of skill are all shooting themselves. Just 3 days ago, a Florida Corrections recruit killed herself by a negligent discharge during firearms training. That focus drifts. The latest of these suits was filed last week in US District Court in Massachusetts. Again the Far Right Stupidity and hypocrisy is infinite. Likewise, having a finger in the trigger-guard, or a clothing draw-string, or a retention strap, or some other object, when holstering the gun exonerates the maker, as the gun is firing with a trigger press of sufficient energy and stroke as designed. I dont care about the upgrade that should never happen. Finger on the trigger and muzzle discipline are sometimes unheralded. I wish nothing bad on anyone carrying regardless of brand. It was expensive. never got into the P320 It is to me a Range gun not a carry gun. Id read that for TMP, they got NASA to help in the design of the refit Enterprise. Watching all these Glock fan boys drool over these lawsuits in their tribal brand-lust is like watching the talking heads on CNN announcing Trump lost the 2020 election. ABC ran their story on the P320 twice, but with some significant differences between the two reports. So even if, as the ambulance chaser claims, the striker leg could vibrate off of the sear face, it could not discharge unless the drop safety was also disengaged because the drop safety prevents movement of the striker sufficient to make the firing pin protrude from the breech face. The claim basically boils down to the notion that in normal, unconcerning operation, a foreign body entered the striker body. Hilton's $15 million lawsuit said, "there have been 54 reported uncommanded discharges of the P320," meaning the gun went off by itself, over the last five years in 22 states and Washington, D.C. Sig Sauer did not respond to ABC News' request for comment.